This will take a long time as I'm in no hurry to get on with it

However, I need the sump for the ST215 engine so today I removed it to be greeted by this. Of all the things that could be causing a bottom end rattle I never ever even considered this

It's possible that this lead to the demise of the engine as the baffling in the sump is obviously not right. When the baffle detached it dropped to the bottom of the lower pan and might have cut off/hindered oil flow into the lower section where the oil pickup is
Throw in some track action and maybe surge/starvation ensues. I can already see that for sure #2 big end is shot and #3 is not far behind


Compare this with the scraper/baffle plate from the Caldina. It should be one piece


The mounting tag one side has cracked. The other two connection points have failed spot welds allowing complete separation of the baffle




This is what it should look like

The pics appear to show that the ST205 scraper plate is a two piece affair albeit sport welded together whereas the ST215 scraper is a single piece part?

Seems strange that this should have failed. Presumably its some sort of fatigue failure due to vibration?

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Don
GT4DC Chairman
1994 Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205WRC JDM 269bhp @ 0.9bar
1994 Toyota Celica GT-Four Special GT 590bhp @ 1.8bar
1989 Van Diemen RF88/89 Formula Ford 1600
2008 Nissan Patrol GU 3.0L ZD30DDTi 154bhp

The two scraper plates are pretty much the same design. TBH it looks a bit rubbish. It's flimsy when you look at it knowing that there's been a failure

However, it's an extremely uncommon failure - I've not seen another in my years of four ownership.

It might be worth Jon adding a couple of additional tabs to yours given that it's likely to see lots of high RPM

Fair point, I'll mention it to him next time we speak.

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Don
GT4DC Chairman
1994 Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205WRC JDM 269bhp @ 0.9bar
1994 Toyota Celica GT-Four Special GT 590bhp @ 1.8bar
1989 Van Diemen RF88/89 Formula Ford 1600
2008 Nissan Patrol GU 3.0L ZD30DDTi 154bhp

Ill see if i can steal one of these today for you steve.

The caldina block has arrived apparantly!

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Chris
ST205 with a little help from a ST215...

Cheers Chris



Out of interests, I actually gave this a good examination today as I fitted the correct sump. The Caldina version is the same but mine looks fine. I think it's a 1 off failure in the 205 but I'd still look to beef up one fitted to a high spec engine

Ive got it, now its how u wanna get get it from me to you.

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Chris
ST205 with a little help from a ST215...

Ta very much!

I'll grab it next time we meet somewhere. No great hurry for it at the moment as the 205 engine rebuild will take a while

Or if you happen to see any of the crowd up that way drop it off and I'll grab it

Ok no problem.

Whilst on the subject of bits, Could you detail what gaskets you actually need when putting this lot back together (caldina block/ 205 head)? Really dont want to have to buy a whole gasket set from TCBparts at just shy of £150 to have lots of bits i dont use and for the kit to have bits missing that i do actually need!

Edit: feel free to answer in the 215 thread if thats where this question should actually have gone

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Chris
ST205 with a little help from a ST215...

I didn't use any odd gaskets, it's all ST205 rebuild stuff

Mostly because I bolted a lot of 205 gear onto the 215

I've ended up with
205 head and rocker cover
205 inlet mani and TB
205 water pump and housing but 215 water bypass and oil cooler as the 205 cooler setup doesn't fit the 215 block
205 oil pump
205 sump


If you're going to actually use the 215 as is with the coil on plug setup then I think the same gasket setup will fit anyway. I'd recomend going with your old 205 water pump and housing though

Chris,

I assume you'le have then 215 engine completely stripped to use uprated internals?

If you do can you please take photos of the con rods.

The EPC tells me they're different to the 205/rev 3 3s-GT versions but I don't know what the difference is

Cheers

I believe its meant to look like this lol!

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Chris
ST205 with a little help from a ST215...

Yes it is


Cheers Chris, you're a star. Are you going to the virtual carting/AGM meet in a couple of weeks?

egh a double post how did that happen!

Yes i plan to be, most likely by TDI power at this rate

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Chris
ST205 with a little help from a ST215...