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Mario's rear subframe teflon bushings: problem ?!?
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Author:  Wolf_Tm [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Mario's rear subframe teflon bushings: problem ?!?

Any one else with Mario's teflon bushing for rear SUBFRAME ?

I was trying to replace mine yesterday, but I discovered this "little" difference: what do you think?

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Ciao!

Author:  Meurz [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:24 pm ]
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Is the car standing on its wheels in that pic?

Author:  two_OH_five [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:46 pm ]
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It would look about right if you peeled the existing rubber mount off of it's metal backplate

It's a bit hard to see, is the top flat?

The upper rubber mount is actually a cup kind of thing so it might fit over the top of the new bushing

Author:  Wolf_Tm [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:06 pm ]
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Meurz wrote:
Is the car standing on its wheels in that pic?


Yes Mate...

Author:  Wolf_Tm [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:13 pm ]
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two_OH_five wrote:
It would look about right if you peeled the existing rubber mount off of it's metal backplate
It's a bit hard to see, is the top flat?
The upper rubber mount is actually a cup kind of thing so it might fit over the top of the new bushing


Don't know... will check soon!
Btw, looking at the epc, there is no rubber mount over the stock rubber bushing...
Thanks...

Author:  two_OH_five [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:59 am ]
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It is there in the EPC but it's not obvious

If you look HERE where I stripped the rear subframe there's some shots of the main mounting points with
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and without
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the washers

part number is
52272-20030 STOPPER, REAR SUSPENSION MEMBER, UPPER

Unfortunately I don't have a picture of the underside to show. It has a stup in the centre which slides over the metal insert in the centre of the standard subframe bushing, then a gap then a ring of rubber which contacts the circular part of the subframe itself

To be honest I doubt if it matters if you remove that washer and use Marios bushings directly against the chassis. The difference will not be very large and you'll only lower the rear (the correct way without buggering roll centres) by 5 or 6 mm

Author:  Wolf_Tm [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:50 am ]
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two_OH_five wrote:
It is there in the EPC but it's not obvious

If you look HERE where I stripped the rear subframe there's some shots of the main mounting points with
Image
and without
Image
the washers

part number is
52272-20030 STOPPER, REAR SUSPENSION MEMBER, UPPER

Unfortunately I don't have a picture of the underside to show. It has a stup in the centre which slides over the metal insert in the centre of the standard subframe bushing, then a gap then a ring of rubber which contacts the circular part of the subframe itself

To be honest I doubt if it matters if you remove that washer and use Marios bushings directly against the chassis. The difference will not be very large and you'll only lower the rear (the correct way without buggering roll centres) by 5 or 6 mm



Ok, now I hope I understand what you meant.... would be very difficult even in Italian to explain and understand via Internet! :wink:

Mario's bushings already have nylon cAp for the nylon cUp (like the stock rubber bushing, the lower rubber cUp and the rubber cAp that goes up, against the chassis).
The fact is that, as you told and as seen in my pic, the thickness is different:
yes, I'll lower the rear, that way, but I will also reduce the clearance between the carbon DS (diameter way bigger than stock) and the chassis...
and I already removed a chassis reinforcement, under the handbrake lever, because it touched the DS...

Thanks a lot!

Author:  two_OH_five [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:41 am ]
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Here's a quick artists impression of what I think you have

I guess you might have to get some spacers made up to suit

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But it might do this
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Difficult to tell without seeing pictures of the top of it!

Author:  Wolf_Tm [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:47 am ]
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two_OH_five wrote:
Here's a quick artists impression of what I think you have

I guess you might have to get some spacers made up to suit

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Yes sure, but only difference is that the rubber OVER the subframe has not the same thickness (as it appears on your draw) of the nylon spacer...

BTW Mario just replied me he's on holiday, and will help asap...

Author:  two_OH_five [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:55 am ]
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To me the rubber looks the same size as the bushing

The rubber has a metal backing plate attached though (this is what presses against the chassis) and I think it's this that makes the difference in the thickness

Author:  Wolf_Tm [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:08 am ]
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two_OH_five wrote:
To me the rubber looks the same size as the bushing


No no, it's this the problem!!!

They have not the same thickness!

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Author:  Wolf_Tm [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:11 am ]
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two_OH_five wrote:
To me the rubber looks the same size as the bushing

The rubber has a metal backing plate attached though (this is what presses against the chassis) and I think it's this that makes the difference in the thickness



Ah ok, now I understand your point of view!
there is not any metal plate against the chassis, all you see, and it seems to be divided in two parts, it's all one piece of rubber....

Author:  two_OH_five [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:15 am ]
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it may not be obvious but the rubber is stuck on to a circular metal backing plate. You van just see it in the photo and it should be clear in the diagrams

I think you'll need to make up a metal spacer to replicate that so that Marios bush + spacer is the same thickness as the stock rubber bush on its backplate

Author:  Wolf_Tm [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:17 am ]
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two_OH_five wrote:

I think you'll need to make up a metal spacer to replicate that so that Marios bush + spacer is the same thickness as the stock rubber bush on its backplate



Yes, I think this too...

On the ST185 forum someone just wrote that ST185 has lower than ST205 rubber bushing on top... touche' :D

Author:  two_OH_five [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:32 am ]
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might be an easy place to create a few mm of extra clearance

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